100 points? So you played the first 15 minutes of the game?
Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.4a] [Ron Chon]
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I don't know and honestly, we'd be making assumptions trying to answer that question.
As to why they made that pitch to begin with... they just lied their ass off over their writing qualifications. That isn't an assumption. It's in the same interview where they say they don't know how to write legal shows.
Yes but they specifically point it out and Jennifer flexes on Bruce because apparently women are Hulk levels of angry 24/7 by default.
Uh yeah, dude 100 points is like maybe 2 in game days? Even RLE takes longer than that.
Our game is story-focused, and we advertise it as such, if you want quick sex just play RLE. No one will be offended or bothered if this game just isn't for you.
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I was meant to ask before...
I am not comic reader and know X-Men only from movies.
From what I grasped about Laura, her character could go any way.
Is there some exterior reason for her taking this domineering role?
If she's in some series like she's in here, I might read my first one!
I was meant to ask before...
I am not comic reader and know X-Men only from movies.
From what I grasped about Laura, her character could go any way.
Is there some exterior reason for her taking this domineering role?
If she's in some series like she's in here, I might read my first one!
She actually pre-dates Elixir by 2 whole years... and Elixir does not have that metallic shine her skin has.
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Because Zeus forbid you read something that might disagree with your view, and perhaps provide a new perspective. No, please, continue in your narrow minded little world and avoid any outside input.
Legal Eagle (an actual California lawyer who talks a lot about different legal things in the world and tries to explain it for the rest of us) did an episode on She Hulk, and yeah, he was not impressed by the legal aspect. He figured the closing remarks of the defense in the first episode were stupid and almost guaranteed to lose, and most of the legal jargon used in the show was like someone opened a legal diary and picked random words from it.
Oh come now, that's not just women, men do that all the time. It's actually the entire basis of the 'woke' complaint, men complaining about a character not being the idealized version of themselves. I know a guy who has pretty much no interest in a show if the lead isn't a straight white man, and he is by no means unique in the world (quite the contrary).
I would also argue that they aren't dismissing the existing fanbase, they are trying to reach more fans, to expand the fanbase. And again, returning to the fact that these are greedy corporations, they want more customers, more money. It's the way business works. Capitalism!
And the simple fact is, there are far more people in the world than the existing fan base, and aiming at straight white men to exclusion is kinda stupid (we are kinda outnumbered by a rather significant amount to be honest). And to be frank, it has been working. Bethesda for all their mediocrity has made Fallout many times larger than it was as a turn based isometric game. Disney makes a crap ton of money every year, and is steadily increasing (inflation is biting into their profit margin due to increasing costs, so despite increasing income in 2023 by over $6 billion, their profits went down by $110 million, to a mere $3.39 billion (still just shy of 4% net profit, which isn't too shabby - most large companies only run single digit profit percentages, only a few industries like pharmaceuticals, banking, and petroleum typically run double digit profit percentages).
Like it or not, at the end of the day it is hard to argue with success.
I will also note, that if a segment of the fanbase is toxic, they will kick them to the curb without hesitation, and do things to spite them.
Not that you would know anything about that, would you Shiny? Nothing like that was done in the Null Hypothesis.
I would also point out that quite often what people complain as 'woke' isn't even trying to reach out to another demographic, for example the BBC gets letters every time they have a trans character or actor in a show, whether they make a point of emphasizing the character is trans or not, the simple presence is all that matters. Often a show simply acknowledges other people exist and show some respect, and that is enough to set the anti-diversity people off (and let's be honest, it is not about whether something is good or not - shown by how much hate is directed at some things when nobody has even seen it yet - it is about racism, homophobia, transphobia, and misogyny).
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Ihave to apologize at this time.
I think I started this, and I'm sorry about the derailment.
Think I might take a few days away from the forum, let this peter out.
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Not saying I've taken the things I learned from Grant Morrison past writing technique, but I see the hypersigil is starting to work.
Hail Eris.
Oh, that's right. I forgot about that... *sigh* You know, when I was still living in LA (around 2002 or 2003), I met up with some friends of friends that were attending USC. They spent like an hour talking and discussing about their efforts and ways to cheat on their tests. I mentioned "You know, with all the effort you're going through figuring out how to cheat, you might as well just study." And their reply to me was "Yeah, but this is the American way." People like these writers will always be a reminder to me as to why that's people like these get ahead and make things worse for the rest of us.
Honestly, I've always chalk that up to the writers' way of explaining to people new to the She-Hulk franchise as to why she doesn't have to go through the same turmoil as Bruce. Is it kind of clumsy? Yeah. But also, all the marvel TV series kind of are clumsy.
*sigh* Makes me wonder how many people lied about their qualifications to get their positions at marvel.
Yeah, I watched that. That's one of the things that made me wish this series was a proper legal drama. BTW, he graduated from UCLA but is current practicing law out of DC. Not important to our conversation, but very important distinction to him so I wanted to point that out.
If it makes you feel any better, I do that from time to time too. Makes me glad I live in another country and speak other languages. There are days where I'm just like "No media in English today." and it works really well.
One of the editors at Marvel lied about hiring a Japanese writer and instead wrote and submitted stories under a pseudonym for years, so there isn't much that would surprise me anymore. Said editor is the most stereotypical neckbeard you could possibly imagine. The craziest thing is, that didn't even cost him his job, he's still working there as editor-in-chief. Google 'Akira Yoshida' if you want more info.
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up on it now and...god damn it...God fucking damn it...
In Cebulski's defense, ninjas, samurai, and yakuza are all fundamental aspects of Wolverine's canon.
Right, but like, they are fundamental part of Wolverine's cannon BECAUSE they're stereotypical. He was brought in to hire a Japanese writer so they can break out of the stereotype...only for him to NOT do that, write it himself, and continue the stereotype.
Basically, according to that article, he was first hired to do one job. And he failed at that just so he can fail the task further.
And part of me can't shake the feeling of someone badly explaining something to someone that knows the subject. It's like that time a guy tried to explain to me, someone that knows Chinese and did shaolin martial arts, that the word "Kung-fu" came from name "Confucian". (For those that think that's possible. No, no it does not. That's the English equivalent of saying the word "history" comes from the word "hysterectomy")
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Dude Disney's Star Wars series and the MCU are the poster-boys of the woke era. They straight up pioneered it.
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"Dude", they didn't. It's a corporation and it wanted to get the untapped market of those franchises and completely forgot the core demographic that made those franchises successful.
Shiny made a better post about it here https://f95zone.to/threads/the-null-hypothesis-v0-4a-ron-chon.138294/post-13541287
That isn't exactly true. He was supposed to bring in a Japanese writer because the line they were trying to publish was the "mangaverse," a series of books intended to capitalize on the emerging popularity of anime and manga in the west in the early 2000s when Toonami and Adult Swim were taking off. And if you look at those Mangaverse books (There's a Jean Grey one in particular that's basically trying to be softcore hentai), I'd say there's a deliberate aim on every creator involved's parts to have more stereotyping than usual, just a different set of stereotypes, specifically a surface level attempt to copy the public perception of anime imagery and tropes. Iron Man as a mecha, more white haired characters, giant eyes and no noses, etc.
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Was it more stereotypical because the writer was Cebulski?
By the way, I'd like to point out that, for a fluent Japanese speaker, he didn't even have the knowledge to put Matsuda's actual last name. You don't write Japanese names in katakana.
It should have been 松田. A fairly common Japanese last name.
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My point here is there was an entire line of Mangaverse books. Mangaverse Spider-Man by Kaare Andrews, for example, is a story in which Peter's a ninja in the "Spider clan" and his "sensei" Uncle Ben is murdered by Venom who's from a rival clan. Is your premise that Cebulski forced him to write that? Did Cebulski make Peter David write mangaverse Punisher to be a woman who dresses like a geisha and uses dominatrix gear to "punish" Tokyo crime families? The whole POINT of the mangaverse was just "kids are getting into anime, make an AU that's full of cool Japanese shit."
There was never any intention to "break out of stereotypes". It was 2002, those stereotypes were very much in vogue at the time (as was the "amateur trying to copy anime" artstyle. We're talking about the founding days of webcomics and DeviantArt here) and embracing them was the heart of the sales pitch.
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No, my point is, notice how no one you named was a Japanese writer? Like the one Celbuski was suppose to hire? For this series? Like, I remember seeing those. And that point, I was actually starting to read things in Japanese. These were watered, trope-y and stereotypical looking that looks to capitalize on something without consulting, asking or learning the about the culture beyond stereotypes. If he had done his job, the problem of stereotypes probably wouldn't be a problem. Saying "Hey, in this guy's defense, there are other stereotypes." is kinda like saying "In that firefighter's defense of not showing up, the house was already on fire."
Here, I'll break this down.
Me: There's no need for the stereotypes. At least not ones this bad.
You: Wolverine does have some stereotypes.
Me: Yeah, but isn't that what he was suppose to change?
You: Well no, he was brought to find a Japanese writer for manga verse. Which has stereotypes, but also has another set of stereotypes.
Me: Yeah, which exists because he didn't bring on a Japanese writer and he, himself, did the stereotyping because he didn't bring on a Japanese writer.
You: Are you saying he made other people write stereotypes?
Me: No, he was suppose to bring someone on so these stereotypes can stop happening because the people they have now will just keep writing stereotypes.
Like, for you to counter my point, you'd need to show either a) These stereotypes exist WITH a Japanese (like, wrote for/drew mangas in Japan) writer or b) Non Japanese writers wrote non-stereotypical Japanese things. In keep saying "Stereotypes exist". My response would be, "Yes, I know. Cebulski was suppose to fix that and he didn't." Switching one stereotype for another doesn't really cut it. It's like changing out a Fu-manchu mustache and buck teeth for broken English with Chinese accent. It doesn't solve the problem, it just slightly re-arranges it.
Like, for god's sake, they used that old-ass typeface that supposed looks Chinese:
For a *manga* (Read, Japanese). And what's up with that art of katanas? This is what I'd expect a 6th grader's impression of Japanese culture to be or someone whose sole exposure to Japanese culture was from old Speed Racer cartoons and Godzilla movies.
Like, I'm not going to say it's culturally insensitive or whatever, but this is really bad. And, with a small amount of effort, and literally one person doing the job he was hired to do, this could have been a lot better.
Like, literally, all he had to do was do the thing he was hired to do. I didn't think that'd be something I'd have to prove is a good thing/idea.
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Stereotypes and Japanese writers are not antithetical. Cebulski's job never had anything to do with avoiding stereotypes. They wanted the stereotypes. They wanted to make western manga, to appeal to the western impression of what manga is, which means they wanted the X-Men to look like Gundam and Naruto. They just also wanted to advertise authenticity, or rather the illusion of it, by putting a Japanese creator's name on the cover. It was pure 100% sales stunt. There are Japanese writers and artists who write about ninjas and samurai too, Japanese mangaka who would have given them the western stereotypes of the east that they wanted. Cebulski just happened to not know any and lied about it. He was a weeb who used a psuedonym to hide his weebness, that's the one and only actual thing he did wrong in his job as an editor.
Although I honestly don't think he would've needed to hide behind a fake name and pretend a Japanese person made their manga if his bosses hadn't told him that's what they wanted, because google the book "How to Draw Manga" by Katy Coope, a clearly not Asian person, and look at how bad the cover art is. That's the kind of garbage "for manga fans" that were all over mainstream bookshelves in the early oughts
People bought those. I don't know why, but they did. This is the audience the Mangaverse was after, not people like you who speak fluent Japanese or modern audiences who more easily recognize things like this as inauthentic and culturally insensitive.
But just for the record, there's not a story on this Earth that can't be improved by adding ninjas to it and everyone knows it, including this game. (#PsylockeForCh2)
Although I honestly don't think he would've needed to hide behind a fake name and pretend a Japanese person made their manga if his bosses hadn't told him that's what they wanted, because google the book "How to Draw Manga" by Katy Coope, a clearly not Asian person, and look at how bad the cover art is. That's the kind of garbage "for manga fans" that were all over mainstream bookshelves in the early oughts
People bought those. I don't know why, but they did. This is the audience the Mangaverse was after, not people like you who speak fluent Japanese or modern audiences who more easily recognize things like this as inauthentic and culturally insensitive.
But just for the record, there's not a story on this Earth that can't be improved by adding ninjas to it and everyone knows it, including this game. (#PsylockeForCh2)
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Agreed. This is why I wrote:
So...fraud. They wanted fraud. Like, that's worse. If that's what they truly wanted (which, neither of us can say for sure if that's the case because, if that's what they wanted, they wouldn't have needed to even bother hiring Chebulski. They could have just made someone up. Or just tap Jim Lee. So they were either incompetent or they wanted fraud.), at least that's exactly what they got. And, all the same we're all worst off because of it.
Agreed, but this also kinda proves my point. If they found a manga artist that can do what they want, they'd probably do a better job and STILL hit all the stereotypical things they're expecting. If he had just done his one job. Like, there's stereotype and there's *stereotype*. As in there's "Giant monsters appearing and wrecking cities is a common trope." and there's "Japanese people eat sushi all day long and drink tea." And Chebulski's definitely leaning towards the latter. A Japanese writer probably would lean towards the former and that would have been better.
Well, I would say Gundam 08th MS team would have been worse with ninjas in it. But I agree that a lot of stories can be improved with ninjas. Just, like, don't over do it.