Patreon has gone too far and we need to boycott and punish them.

[GNVE]

That's fine, I was just joking around and I agree with your statement. Although, I'm not familiar with its current business model. Could you elaborate on what it is and why that would result in them not going down that route?

From my, admittedly, limited understanding they take on anyone that is banned by other platforms. Cleaning up their site would leave no-one. Also they are a company shaded in mystery. Who actually owns it etc. They do not have an office which you can visit and it is rumoured that the person who 'owns' the company is just a figurehead.

 

[FemaleLesbianSexual]

Why use Patreon when you got F95, Discord, crypto and many other ways to do things?

 

[allanl9020142]

From my, admittedly, limited understanding they take on anyone that is banned by other platforms. Cleaning up their site would leave no-one. Also they are a company shaded in mystery. Who actually owns it etc. They do not have an office which you can visit and it is rumoured that the person who 'owns' the company is just a figurehead.

That sounds incredibly sketchy but not gonna lie, you made it sound kinda like a cool premise for a movie LOL.

But I see what you're saying. Based on what you said, they'd basically be shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[anne O'nymous]

No what they said was that they expect SS to start banning people when it gets to hot under their feet because the payment processer and/or VISA/Mastercard take notice of them, because they want to sell the company or make it a publicly traded company. This has been a regular occurrence for other platforms. They use porn and/or adult material to get big and then ban it to make it look good for investors (see the controversy a couple of years ago with OF or GameJolt for instance).

It's more simple than this. ~90% of subscribeStar traffic is for the adult subdomain. If they loose the ability to host porn, or at least the possibility to rely on VISA/Mastercard for their pledges, they are left with more expenses than earning.

 

[Virulenz]

I only read some of the first page, so tired but too hot to sleep -,-

1. Patreon is a big pile of shit, they always were, even before they banned of most of the good content
2. Every dev should know this since years and avoid it or be at least smart enough to read the rules and think "no way i'm accepting that bullshit, bye"
3. SS and itch are and always were less restrictive with special content like incest, loli and whatever patreon banned recently

Now lets think about it, calm and logical. Who is at fault for creating an account on patreon and accepting their shit rules? Who is at fault for breaking their shit rules? And finally, who is at fault for not switching to ss or itch right away if patreon changed the rules after the account was made?

Sure, patreon sucks and their rulers in the shadow (or spotlight) suck even more, but what really sucks are devs who still use it and gain them money.

 

[Semetrika]

I find funny how many developers still break rules and they are okay on Patreon (for now). I understand they want be here for any reasons, but cry after they was deservedly banned for breaking their rules is childish.

 

[xxn1927]

It is not childish when an unelected entity acts as if it is the government. By your logic, the electric company can shut you off if they dislike how you use their electricity.

 

[Semetrika]

You write about different thinks. It doesn't matter how stupid are rules on platform, you must follow it or you get ban. We not talk about case when people was banned for somethink, even they follow on 100% guidelines. And yes electric company can shut you if you don't pay, not because they don't like you.

 

[BigJoeHanson]

Nooooooooooo my incest rape fantasies are getting banned, no, the spiciness!

Here's a hint. It's not Patreon. It's Visa & Mastercard. This fight, you will lose.

No its not, otherwise onlyfans wouldn't exist.

 

[bolso_lula]

looks like paypal droped patreon, you can't use it as payment anymore

 

[morphnet]

No its not, otherwise onlyfans wouldn't exist.

Yes it is, onlyfans banned sexually explicit content because of pressure from banks and the founder Tim Stokely said as much,

"In an interview with the Financial Times on Tuesday, OnlyFans founder Tim Stokely said the company was forced to ban pornography on the site and blamed "unfair" treatment by banks that made it difficult for the company to pay content creators."

They only reversed the banned after negotiations with the banks lead to "We have secured assurances necessary to support our diverse creator community and have suspended the planned October 1 policy change,"

" The decision came a day after the CEO attributed the porn ban to banks which would “cite reputation risk and refuse our business.” OnlyFans executives told the FT that Stokely’s comments had sparked open discussion between banks and the company. "

Some people are still nervous about the unbanning and there is a worry that the ban might be issued again.

"Brian Gross, a publicist and president of BSG PR who represents several adult stars who use OnlyFans, including Maitland Ward and Charlotte Stokely, said OnlyFans' ban reversal is "obviously good news" for creators, but the rapid about-face has caused "trepidation and nervousness."
"There's always a chance (OnlyFans) can implement the policy again," he said. "I think everyone has to keep one eye open."

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It is also a very, very different situation both financially and in a business sense, which is why it would be easier for onlyfans to lift their ban (for now) but the problem is the same, banks NOT patreon, are to blame for the bans.

Also before anyone blames patreon again, it might be a good idea to look into just how many campaigns the banks and financial services have run against the different sectors or the adult industry.

 

[papel]

As has been pointed by others in the thread, the problem isn't patreon itself, but mostly payment processors and possibly banks, too.
This is where an easy to use and transfer crypto would be great, but reality shows that no crypto is those two things, nor are they easy to transform back into real money. If not that, some payment processor that isn't 'murican and that won't shy away from adult content, pretending to be puritanical while being fucking hypocrites, would be nice. I really dunno which is less likely to happen in real life.

 

[Alcahest]

looks like paypal droped patreon, you can't use it as payment anymore

It's temporary. They are having problems with Paypal.

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[xxn1927]

As has been pointed by others in the thread, the problem isn't patreon itself, but mostly payment processors and possibly banks, too.
This is where an easy to use and transfer crypto would be great, but reality shows that no crypto is those two things, nor are they easy to transform back into real money. If not that, some payment processor that isn't 'murican and that won't shy away from adult content, pretending to be puritanical while being fucking hypocrites, would be nice. I really dunno which is less likely to happen in real life.

There is no easy solution here, and it doesn't involve crypto. There are two choices: 1) the hard way, or 2) the very hard way.

-- The Hard Way involves becoming involved and active to make sure that companies stay out of governance and governments stay out of business (outside general lawmaking, rulemaking, and law enforcement).

-- The Very Hard Way is to try to keep circumventing the ever expanding web of censorious unholy marriage of state and corporate interests until there is nowhere left to hide.

 

[whippetmaster]

A relative and I discussed the whole onlyfans thing and I brought up knowing about Patreon banning some adult creators and certain types of fetishes in games, stores, etc. What they both have in common are the banking industries that handle their payments. Patreon and OnlyFans are structured as a go-between between fans and creators so the only way for that to happen is for the payment processors and the banks to agree to facilitate all that. Their whole existence relies on the banks and processors playing nice. With that said, we came to a conclusion that it's due to the banks listening to their biggest depositors and those are either businesses or churches. Some businesses are either either run by devouts or conservatives. Those churches and some businesses will throw a hissy fit if their beloved bank has their hands dipped in the porn business. They can't handle the fact that porn makes money and those religious nutters will shit the bed over that and will switch their business to another bank. So the banks fear the loss of their deposits and then tell the payment processors NOT to handle funds that could be "dirty". In my opinion, it's that in a nut shell, religious snowflakes losing their shit over porn being profitable is behind all this silly crap.

 

[orellion]

A relative and I discussed the whole onlyfans thing and I brought up knowing about Patreon banning some adult creators and certain types of fetishes in games, stores, etc. What they both have in common are the banking industries that handle their payments. Patreon and OnlyFans are structured as a go-between between fans and creators so the only way for that to happen is for the payment processors and the banks to agree to facilitate all that. Their whole existence relies on the banks and processors playing nice. With that said, we came to a conclusion that it's due to the banks listening to their biggest depositors and those are either businesses or churches. Some businesses are either either run by devouts or conservatives. Those churches and some businesses will throw a hissy fit if their beloved bank has their hands dipped in the porn business. They can't handle the fact that porn makes money and those religious nutters will shit the bed over that and will switch their business to another bank. So the banks fear the loss of their deposits and then tell the payment processors NOT to handle funds that could be "dirty". In my opinion, it's that in a nut shell, religious snowflakes losing their shit over porn being profitable is behind all this silly crap.

Correct, they're not the freedom of speech crusaders they pretend to be.

 

[Glib_Gentleman]

A relative and I discussed the whole onlyfans thing and I brought up knowing about Patreon banning some adult creators and certain types of fetishes in games, stores, etc. What they both have in common are the banking industries that handle their payments. Patreon and OnlyFans are structured as a go-between between fans and creators so the only way for that to happen is for the payment processors and the banks to agree to facilitate all that. Their whole existence relies on the banks and processors playing nice. With that said, we came to a conclusion that it's due to the banks listening to their biggest depositors and those are either businesses or churches. Some businesses are either either run by devouts or conservatives. Those churches and some businesses will throw a hissy fit if their beloved bank has their hands dipped in the porn business. They can't handle the fact that porn makes money and those religious nutters will shit the bed over that and will switch their business to another bank. So the banks fear the loss of their deposits and then tell the payment processors NOT to handle funds that could be "dirty". In my opinion, it's that in a nut shell, religious snowflakes losing their shit over porn being profitable is behind all this silly crap.

Correct.

If you follow the trail backwards, it goes like this ->

Patreon & OnlyFans don't allow certain content, because ->
The payment processors tell them they'll refuse to do business with them if they don't, because ->
The banks and other financial institutions are telling the credit card companies they won't invest their money in them if they support adult content, because ->
The banks are being petitioned, lobbied, and bullied by conservative Christian groups.

If you really want to SOLVE the issue, look to the well-funded lobbying groups in America trying to shutdown "immoral" activity. They've grown enormous in the past 15 years.

In my view, the only way that anything will change is if adult content creators (the porn industry, adult game devs, sex workers, etc.) launch a massive lawsuit against the financial industry for discrimination of legal business activity.

Patreon is just the most visible layer (to us) of this whole mess.

 

[whippetmaster]

The silly thing is those businesses sell a product or service and other people pay for it and it's those people's money that is being used to push an agenda. Then churches.. well they get tithes and donations from other people and they use that for their own purposes. So both of them use other people's money to push a political/moral agenda.
But those creators and dancers use that money to improve their own lives and often invest it in a way to give better services to their fans. In my opinion, I'd rather my money go to improving someone's life or the quality of their services. Not to a political or religious cause.
Also, I believe that porn is normal since humans as a whole are naturally interested in sex. If we didn't have sex, there wouldn't be any humans left so it's like a baked-in survival trait. Plus it's fun and feels good when it's consensual. So watching porn, playing porn games or others dancing in skimpy clothes is okay to me. There's nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion.
It's almost like those rich little snowflakes using someone else's hard-earned money are like the highlander where's it's like "There can be only one!!"

Edited... Also, what's so intelligent about believing in something that may not even exist and switch your whole life around to satisfy a group of people pushing a lifestyle on you? Where's the self-actualization in that? It's like conform to their ideals and play with the herd or suffer hellish consequences. I've never been one to follow the herd like a good little sheep so I'm naturally suspicious of any church or religion. I've got only one life to live and I should be in charge of that, no one else.

 

[Yngling]

Also, I believe that porn is normal since humans as a whole are naturally interested in sex. If we didn't have sex, there wouldn't be any humans left so it's like a baked-in survival trait. Plus it's fun and feels good when it's consensual. So watching porn, playing porn games or others dancing in skimpy clothes is okay to me. There's nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion.

That's a bit simplistic.

The baked-in survival trait is to have actual unprotected sex resulting in pregnancy.

The porn is a lazy substitution of that survival instinct, and therefore dangerous. Like the substitution of healthy food (e.g. a nice steak) by some chemical stuff (e.g. McDonalds) that's cheaper and arguably tastes just as good. Some people might give up on steak allogether and only eat at at McDonalds. They will get obese and die.

The banning of porn on OnlyFans, which morphnet wrote about, I can understand. It might be really interesting to a 18 year old girl to sell naked pictures of her on the internet for a bit of cash, but she might not understand the consequences. It may not feel like actual prostitution but it might have similar negative results in the long run.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

It might be really interesting to a 18 year old girl to sell naked pictures of her on the internet for a bit of cash, but she might not understand the consequences.

Regardless of consequences or whatever it's her body and therefore it's up to her what to do with it.
18 is an adult, so no one has the right to interfere from that point on.