VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Still nothing comes up,
Bella keeps hoping that something will move,Nami keeps pulling on it,
even with Vic's and Mila's boob jobs it doesn't work..

Hopefully the loads of Viagra pills and the therapy sessions will work,
otherwise he should really have himself castrated..
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To be honest, I miss the font more than his dick. Unlike his dick in future seasons the font won't make a comeback

Shame, the game had beautiful characters. Thanks for the update

There was one actual lewd scene with a semi erect penis that's been cut, and a couple of scenes with full frontals that have been tamed. Otherwise, it's the same, it's still blue balled, just no blue ball warning simply because it's 16+, and by definition, 16+ has no depicted sex. So people have been going crazy trying to say that something that has never existed in the game (sex scenes) have been cut.

If you've played it at all before, it's basically the same, but there's less of a psycho as a main character, but now he has better dialogue, and there's a lot more story/events than before. There is also far far more nudity than the Ch2 release.

Season 2 will be 18+ and the first episode should* be released by the end of the year after the next WiaB release.

*disclaimer: Ocean's timelines are not know for being accurate

Well that also has to do with the setting i am tired of the MC in a house with his landlady and 1-2 female roommates, i can no longer even try out games like that.

Which is fine there have been a lot more games that explore stuff beyond that, it's no longer 2019, there a lot more games with a more interesting fantasy or sci-fi settings.

I mean Willy isnt great either but thats mostly because he looks like Great Khali. If there is one thing about Ocean is that he is unable to make a normal looking MC, my only choices are between Sasuke and the guy who won the WWE championship in 2007.

We get that you don't like the MC. You can't make a compelling argument for why he is the worst. Just quote your opinion as your opinion, it's fine. For me, I identify far more with Nika or Willi than with Faceless McSleeprapist Brodick in any number of AVNs. It doesn't mater if they come across as parody. Simple fact is that subjectively, everyone connects with different characters.

You're predisposed to not liking certain things because he rubs you the wrong way? Completely fine. You can rationalise your preferences? Also fine. Projecting it as some sort of objective critique, you shouldn't be surprised that people liking Nika as a character reject your premise. I don't have to rationalise why I like his character more than Faceless McSleeprapist Brodick and co, but my simple take is not everyone want parody, but we're all after a little escapism, and we all look for characters we can sympathise with.

I want the guy to work out how to use a dick without being one. Weird, but that's me.

You're on a website dedicated to adult games- drop the "holier-than-thou" attitude bud.
It would be akin to commenting under a video on pornhub explaining why there's no sex even after THAT long.

It was the developer's prerogative not to put any adult scenes in an adult game, which is a weird choice no matter how you look at it. They could have made it make sense but consciously chose to release an entire season with none of the relative content- something that oughta be there given the nature of the work. OR they simply could have extended the season a little until there was one.

IMO the Nami path would have actually been ideal for it, ending the season with a romantic "love-making" session would have been perfect given all the development between them, a sort of a 'finale'.

You should check out the 22 pages worth of games listed with no sexual content on the site. Sure ~ 650 games isn't much, but there are ~650 games that aren't intended to ever have sexual content. SG is not in the category, it just hasn't stopped blueballing us yet. The reasons for this have been explained repeated, either you believe them or you don't.

A sex scene with Nami before Nika gets to the core of his problem in therapy with Amber cuts off that part of the story. What if Nami is partly responsible for his dead libido? He mental wants to get excited, to be normal, but brain chemistry doesn't spark. I'd rather get all that explained than rush to a porn scene for a token lewd. Let's be honest, if there was one sex scene, all the other LI would be jealous, and the other LI fans would be screaming foul.

summers gone for a game that is suppose to not focus on lewds and womens bodies and only focus on story ,it certanly does focus on womens asses in tight pants and their clevege of their breats and even on the steam version which is suppose to have very little nudes, it shows a lot of nami's ass in the thongs and mila's ass in the shower and outside of victorias house with the MC and at the gym and bella's breats and ass naked at ton of times and it says in the tags barely any nudity or slightly any nudity, but maybe everybody is blind but i seen a shit load of nudity as of now, just a observation for a game that is suppose to be a Visual novel not a Adult visual novel as it is advertised on steam, and wasn't it rated for 16+ i might add.

You're right. My take is that Ocean tries to play the middle and makes no one happy. Overly sexualising characters while blueballing sets up expectations in the players minds. But he also wants to develop the reason for Nika's lack of libido, and the SG series over all will be adult, so it's gotta lay at least some expectations. The payoff for people who want lewds and can't be bothered with the story or the characters probably isn't worth it for another 6 months.

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That's my favourite question at the moment. She (and Sasha's redhead friend) are the two characters I want to know about the most.

Current theory of mine is that she is looking at Nami's earring here, not at Nami. She also appears to show more interest in Nami than in Nika. She's on the bus the next morning after the heist, and you see her in the college hall if you don't train with Jeff, both before and after class. If you do train with Jeff, she's still there but blurry.

As to who she is, I wonder if she's maybe Leia's daughter, or one of Ayua's cousins/sisters, as she seems to be interested in the earring.

I dunno, like, I like Summer's Gone, I like the characters and writing, competition for BaD (main other that's popular, long term and good) in particular is good to make both of them strive to be better, HOWEVER, to be bluntly honest

On the sex, there's a weird rift in the fans, where you have "lol incel" or "TF FOOK NOW" as the most vocal, but the middle ground to me is, ok, they've been forward about a slow burn, people know what they're paying for, and I'm sure it's been talked about but the censorship is particularly weird regardless. It was just to get music contracts in at the end of the day, but it's still marked as adults only on steam, and all the preview screenshots are almost hyper titted characters naked and doing yoga, sitting in the tub. All wallpaper dlc is official adult fan art, but everything sexual in the first 15 hours was altered/removed, when the main character's primary arc involves a sexual trait and trauma? Like, there's "slow burn", and then there's doing censorship to the levels of removing sex and just putting "then they went into their room and hugged" while big ole tiddies is all over the previews. BUT, this is not a sex exclusive thing, not a "lol thirsty incel", it's the plot of the game being altered to get, bluntly and harsh I admit, affordable indie hipster music for background tracks, and I'm not knowledgeable about contracts or terms, but I mean is any company or artist you have to change adult content for going to be ok with sequels actually having it? This is what, part 1 of like 6 or so? If artists don't want to be affiliated with adult games, I really don't see how they'd see no problem with being in a series where the other 100 or so hours is fully adult. If someone hated violence and gore they probably still wouldn't endorse the first Muv Luv for example.

On characters, as has been said, he's bit off more than he can chew. Right now it's hard I'm sure but fine, (even though a common complaint is the first part is largely Bella and the side girls), but going forward it's going to be harder and harder, and by the time of like chap 20+, something's going to give somewhere. BaD to compare goes off like 4 "routes", and depending on the girl you pick, you wind up doing different stuff in different areas, not something like always following the same story but then you can choose to have a coffee date with a, b, c, d, e etc. At a stretch, BaD has like MAYBE 8 li, realistically 6, summer's gone has 12 listed so far. BaD dev is slow, jokes are made about it taking like 10 years frequently, but summer's gone is closer to either charitably grr martin or less so early onset yandev. if he really pursues all characters with the same effort as the remakes of past content, then the time frame is ludicrous. people seem to put half their paychecks on patreons that post a screenshot a month and "im working today" posts and eat it up so I guess he nor them care, and if it's actually made in like 20 years or so that's cool I guess, but the fanbase isn't even going to be the same generation. I guess social security can go to patreon too though.

Just weird though how, if second game onward is "actually" adult, then he pissed off fans and rewrote/made a portion of 15 hours so he could struggle to get indie music, while second game on in like a 6 game series would require entirely different music. That's weird, and I hope it's not storm clouds showing, with something like possibly, even though there's hyper titted yoga in tight skinsuits, being closely monitored to avoid anything too sexual for music contracts.

The sex in general has fractured the fan base though, it started as a slow burn where IDEALLY by the end of the first episode you'd have some sex, or fantasy sex as an appetizer, but with all the alterations there's now people going on like "um ackshully it'd be fine without it, maybe just one scene a girl like 50 hours in", who apparently have read zero female oriented popular novels. If it actually does like Mushoku Tensei does (character gets ed from trauma after li leaves, eventually its fixed by other li and drugs, then onward maximum horny) then it'd give to the audience what was advertised. I just hope it doesn't move to softcore with any sexual content given on the side as downloadable screenshots instead of naturally in the story. li having sexual encounters to try and "fix" mcs problem really should have been left in, with a few relationships already being pretty invested and a couple being known long term, and them being of age, it would have been perfectly timed in a story to have the "low" point of not being able to get it up still, then the second actually solving the problem with them. which again, he originally had written and made, too. and thats for a story where actual hardcore sex would be off screen, let alone a game with it as a selling point.

Some of my replies to other posters above cover this, so I'll try not to waste your time with things I've already said. Basically a player has to decide whether the story and characters are compelling enough to be patient and see how season 2 develops. I can understan some people feel they've waited enough, but ultimately, people who enjoy the story will wait for more of what they like. People who like lewds are impatient, because they've got nothing to help them wait. WiaB has lewds at the appropriate style Ocean will include, so I feel pretty confident that when the lewds happen, they'll both fit and be high quality.

Part of the build of of overtly sexualised images and characters is to highlight that Nika isn't like a horny teeanger. Everyone notices it. Currently, without it leading to actual sex it feel forced. But I mean, that's the point - Bella's trying to get a response, Nami's trying to get a response. If we know there will be multiple lewd events somewhere in season 2, this is a build up. It's just longer than people are used to waiting.

Regards the music, when Ocean licensed these tracks originally, there was no restrictions. The third party doing the licensing (between the artist and the dev) changed their terms when Ocean had to renew. He's now bought permanent licenses to prevent the terms being changed, and cut the music that was too problematic license wise. So I think it will be fine going forward. He'll also be more selective and license music directly with the artists going forward so corporate can't get their dodgy agreements in the middle.

As far as continuity goes, he just needs to find music in the style of... for subsequent seasons. There is so much content available he should be able to find something he likes that inspires him. THe challenge is finding the time to find music he likes that WILL license it to him. Or he risks creative commons, which might return to bite him in the bum. It's better to have the license commercial as it helps minimise the changes to the terms in the long run.

Again the lewd scenes will happen. If you follow a romantic path, I don't expect you'll get to see all the content - ie Bella might be fine with you kissing Vic, but if she finds out you and Mila have done something, she'll probably withold sex. Just let the story develop at it's pace, and I'm pretty sure we'll see mainly softcore for the next season, because we've got to remember Nika is a virgin. Maybe Bella, Mila or Nia will be the first to teach him? Maybe there is super awkward sex with Nami as they both have no experience? I don't expect him to perform like a stud in the next season at all, it wouldn't make sense. I can also imagine Bella being left unsatisfied when he's premature once it works. There's going to be a while before he can build up his endurance, so I guess there will be some practice required...

 

[Dessolos]

We've seen Vanessa twice, but we can judge her from that. She's not a robot but she has displayed mostly cunning, a comedic disdain for her sister and a great deal of affability when interacting with Nami.

If looks could kill.

Honestly the first time Vanessa appeared on screen I instantly didn't like her or trusted her just the way she looked , dressed and overall appearance and all with how she entered the scene for the first time. My gut feeling was right cause during the scene where Nikia was changing clothes and Vanessa was in the same room that gave me major red flag vibes to not trust her and keep far away as possible. Granted I have no real proof of any wrong doing with her actions yet to truly dislike her but man with how calculating and manipulative she is with her words makes me dislike her even more and want to be extremely cautious.

 

[NeroZee]

We get that you don't like the MC. You can't make a compelling argument for why he is the worst. Just quote your opinion as your opinion, it's fine. For me, I identify far more with Nika or Willi than with Faceless McSleeprapist Brodick in any number of AVNs. It doesn't mater if they come across as parody. Simple fact is that subjectively, everyone connects with different characters.

You're predisposed to not liking certain things because he rubs you the wrong way? Completely fine. You can rationalise your preferences? Also fine. Projecting it as some sort of objective critique, you shouldn't be surprised that people liking Nika as a character reject your premise. I don't have to rationalise why I like his character more than Faceless McSleeprapist Brodick and co, but my simple take is not everyone want parody, but we're all after a little escapism, and we all look for characters we can sympathise with.

I want the guy to work out how to use a dick without being one. Weird, but that's me.

I dont get why people get this defensive over me not liking a MC of an adult game of all things. I already explained why i dont like him and funny enough some of the people agreed with some of the things i said they just dont view it as much of a problem as i do, which is fine if that's the case.
You know its funny cause people will unironically say "Nika is fine, identify as him, you cant make an argument for why he is the worst, at least he isn't a rapist" and have zero self awareness of what they just said lol.
Sure dude i am certain some people connected with Peter Griffin too.

The rest of your post is just conjecture so i wont even bother i will just say it's fine if you like the protagonist the way he is, you dont have to justify yourself and it's fine if you wanna think i just irrationally hate this one MC for no objective reason lol.

 

[Dessolos]

I dont get why people get this defensive over me not liking a MC of an adult game of all things. I already explained why i dont like him and funny enough some of the people agreed with some of the things i said they just dont view it as much of a problem as i do, which is fine if that's the case.
You know its funny cause people will unironically say "Nika is fine, identify as him, you cant make an argument for why he is the worst, at least he isn't a rapist" and have zero self awareness of what they just said lol.
Sure dude i am certain some people connected with Peter Griffin too.

The rest of your post is just conjecture so i wont even bother i will just say it's fine if you like the protagonist the way he is, you dont have to justify yourself and it's fine if you wanna think i just irrationally hate this one MC for no objective reason lol.

funny thing is im on the opposite end of the spectrum and thinking he is one of the better MC's ive played and I play disconnected to MC's. Just because of the story and the slow burn character growth and how he is trying to better himself. The overall feeling for me just feels alot different than most even other dark MC's like him ive played. I just really like that. Tho im sure the banter with Nami and Bella and wholesome moments with Nami as well some of the comedy like when he takes Nadia's banana helps with having an overall positive opinion of him.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I dont get why people get this defensive over me not liking a MC of an adult game of all things. I already explained why i dont like him and funny enough some of the people agreed with some of the things i said they just dont view it as much of a problem as i do, which is fine if that's the case.
You know its funny cause people will unironically say "Nika is fine, identify as him, you cant make an argument for why he is the worst, at least he isn't a rapist" and have zero self awareness of what they just said lol.
Sure dude i am certain some people connected with Peter Griffin too.

The rest of your post is just conjecture so i wont even bother i will just say it's fine if you like the protagonist the way he is, you dont have to justify yourself and it's fine if you wanna think i just irrationally hate this one MC for no objective reason lol.

Ah, I'm not defensive. Just responding to why you've spent so many posts on this. It actually seems like you're defensive about why you dislike Nika. Like I said, that fine. Everyone has a different circle of friends, everyone like different things in characters etc. What's weird is trying to project those likes and dislikes on others.

No one has objective reasons. Your reasons are yours, based on your view of life. That's why there are these discussions, people see Nika differently based on their perspective of what's important in a charcter or a game. We all justify our own opinions every post we make, it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

 

[NeroZee]

funny thing is im on the opposite end of the spectrum and thinking he is one of the better MC's ive played and I play disconnected to MC's. Just because of the story and the slow burn character growth and how he is trying to better himself. The overall feeling for me just feels alot different than most even other dark MC's like him ive played. I just really like that. Tho im sure the banter with Nami and Bella and wholesome moments with Nami as well some of the comedy like when he takes Nadia's banana helps with having an overall positive opinion of him.

I mean i will say that he is more unique than most other MC's, not really my style but if people like a more cold, brooding protagonist thats fine. In general i dont like MC's that come with a pre-packaged personalities, especially not ones like this,but it is what it is.
I do hope he changes a bit more in the future, cause its gonna be funny to see him remain the same cold, brooding, emotionless guy while also having access to like 25+ girls he can pick and chose to fuck from.

 

[mostwanted8]

Honestly the first time Vanessa appeared on screen I instantly didn't like her or trusted her just the way she looked , dressed and overall appearance and all with how she entered the scene for the first time. My gut feeling was right cause during the scene where Nikia was changing clothes and Vanessa was in the same room that gave me major red flag vibes to not trust her and keep far away as possible. Granted I have no real proof of any wrong doing with her actions yet to truly dislike her but man with how calculating and manipulative she is with her words makes me dislike her even more and want to be extremely cautious.

The first impression which Vanessa gives is that of a haughty, dishonest, egocentric person, so it’s natural that some people dislike her.
She tested Nika when she stripped in front of him to see what he’s made of, if he’s yet another “inferior male” as she says, an underhanded tactic on her part but it was her own way of getting to know him, she’s just built different.
Even if she likes messing with people I don’t think she’s a horrible person, rather someone who sees the world as a dangerous place and has learned to adapt and even gain some pleasure from it in a fucked up way. Once she warms up to Nika and his family and learns that they’re not potential enemies and she can trust them she’ll prove herself a smart, valuable ally in the chessboard of Wollust.

 

[NeroZee]

Ah, I'm not defensive. Just responding to why you've spent so many posts on this. It actually seems like you're defensive about why you dislike Nika. Like I said, that fine. Everyone has a different circle of friends, everyone like different things in characters etc. What's weird is trying to project those likes and dislikes on others.

No one has objective reasons. Your reasons are yours, based on your view of life. That's why there are these discussions, people see Nika differently based on their perspective of what's important in a charcter or a game. We all justify our own opinions every post we make, it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

I mean yea obviously i am defensive you are attacking my opinion and argument, as oppose to me criticizing a random fictional character in an adult game. What exactly am i trying to project onto others? That acting like a anti-social, cold, asshole with a school shooter vibe is bad?

We are not talking about objective reasons, we are talking about objective traits. Yes, thats what i have been trying to do here this whole time...

 

[BobTheDuck]

I mean yea obviously i am defensive you are attacking my opinion and argument, as oppose to me criticizing a random fictional character in an adult game. What exactly am i trying to project onto others? That acting like a anti-social, cold, asshole with a school shooter vibe is bad?

We are not talking about objective reasons, we are talking about objective traits. Yes, thats what i have been trying to do here this whole time...

I'm not attacking your characterisation. That's your opinion and you can have it. I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm just saying it's not objective, and you shouldn't find it strange that other people see it differently, or project an opinion as something objective.

I'd say there's plenty of evidence in the game for him being emotional, confused, without a school shooter vibe. He gets nervous, worried, he doesn't know what to do with feelings towards Bella or Nami. He starts as a stylised character and gets fleshed out with more details as the story develops. If we ignore the previous WIP versions that are released, it's only Bella's comments about him being incel/emo, and Mila's comments that even tie him to past Nika. If wearing black and having having a stoic face is enough to be a schools hooter, you've described all the lighting, sound and stage management working on a musical theatre show. His dialogue shows development over the entire season, with changes of perception. But that what's I get from it. I grew up with grunge, everyone looked like that and most of them weren't school shooters. Most of the people I grew up with were slightly nihilistic/existentialism/stoic. So I personally don't find his character unbelievable.

I don't find his character bad because it fits the story - a persona has a trauma and is affected by it, and slowly starts reconnecting with the world around him. That you see it differently is completely fine.

 

[NeroZee]

I'm not attacking your characterisation. That's your opinion and you can have it. I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm just saying it's not objective, and you shouldn't find it strange that other people see it differently, or project an opinion as something objective.

I'd say there's plenty of evidence in the game for him being emotional, confused, without a school shooter vibe. He gets nervous, worried, he doesn't know what to do with feelings towards Bella or Nami. He starts as a stylised character and gets fleshed out with more details as the story develops. If we ignore the previous WIP versions that are released, it's only Bella's comments about him being incel/emo, and Mila's comments that even tie him to past Nika. If wearing black and having having a stoic face is enough to be a schools hooter, you've described all the lighting, sound and stage management working on a musical theatre show. His dialogue shows development over the entire season, with changes of perception. But that what's I get from it. I grew up with grunge, everyone looked like that and most of them weren't school shooters. Most of the people I grew up with were slightly nihilistic/existentialism/stoic. So I personally don't find his character unbelievable.

I don't find his character bad because it fits the story - a persona has a trauma and is affected by it, and slowly starts reconnecting with the world around him. That you see it differently is completely fine.

Yes you are as well as making assumptions of me having predisposed opinions. I dont find it strange that people see things differently to me, that's a normal every day thing i will say i find it strange that you make all these baseless assumptions about me.

How many times has he been emotional outside of anger? Confusion is not an emotion. Once again more assumptions... i guess the best way to counter them is to just ask you to back them up so can you tell me where i said he is a school shooter because he wears all black and is stoic?
Thats great for you dude but i dont relate to nihilistic people, in fact i abhor that whole scene, which is why i prefer a blank slate MC's. Not that a nihilistic/stoic MC cant work it just depends on how its handled and how he develops as a character over the coarse of the game.

His character fits the story, but it doesnt fit other characters which is the entire point i was making this time.

 

[Raynare69]

I just noticed on my current replay through the game that Sasha's super hot friend (whose name still hasn't been told to us yet) is in the background when you go shopping with Bella for clothes. It never shows her unblurred in any shot, so I never noticed before but you can see her distinct hair style/color/length on one side, the other side is pulled behind her shoulder.

She really is eeeeverywhere haha... I really hope we get to bang know her in this coming chapter!

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yes you are as well as making assumptions of me having predisposed opinions. I dont find it strange that people see things differently to me, that's a normal every day thing i will say i find it strange that you make all these baseless assumptions about me.

How many times has he been emotional outside of anger? Confusion is not an emotion. Once again more assumptions... i guess the best way to counter them is to just ask you to back them up so can you tell me where i said he is a school shooter because he wears all black and is stoic?
Thats great for you dude but i dont relate to nihilistic people, in fact i abhor that whole scene, which is why i prefer a blank slate MC's. Not that a nihilistic/stoic MC cant work it just depends on how its handled and how he develops as a character over the coarse of the game.

His character fits the story, but it doesnt fit other characters which is the entire point i was making this time.

You abhor which whole scene? The scene with the gun that's been removed since version 4.5 I think, and no longer has any part in the story?

That acting like a anti-social, cold, asshole with a school shooter vibe is bad?

So, explain how he has 'school shooter' vibes. Currently in season 1, all he does is get in one fight with a dude who looks like a jock. He never touches a gun in the game, all we have is Mila assessment based on his look from one conversation when she first meets him. So how does he have a school shooter vibe in the game, what actions, other than being emotionally detached? What have they done but judged him based on his look?

Confusion isn't an emotion, but it does show emotional uncertainty in the context of the scenes. He is confused by his reactions to Bella, and freaks out over kissing her is one of the most obvious examples. He's not confused by the event, but by the the reason he kissed her and liked it, and is starting to have feeling for her. Certainly not the response of a cold, anti-social asshole. The biggest generic asshole moments are when he has the choice to be an asshole to Maja in the hospital, and when he doesn't hold the elevator door. And all the heist/plan with Bella, that's pure asshole. But he's not cold, he has emotions through the whole thing - he's just confused by his emotions and doesn't know how to react.

And I do get that not everyone will identify with him. I'm not questioning that at all, and I'm not suggesting that you should see him any differently either. It just seems to me that you're basing your opinion on content that's not in the actual release. Most of your characterisation fits Nika until the Ch3 release, then Ocean started changing his character.

I just noticed on my current replay through the game that Sasha's super hot friend (whose name still hasn't been told to us yet) is in the background when you go shopping with Bella for clothes. It never shows her unblurred in any shot, so I never noticed before but you can see her distinct hair style/color/length on one side, the other side is pulled behind her shoulder.

She really is eeeeverywhere haha... I really hope we get to bang know her in this coming chapter!
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Considering she's shopping there, she's also from a rich family, which we could guess from her association with Sasha (and considering she's not getting acussed of shoplifting).

 

[John972]

Oh no, I just realized you changed your username (yeah, I'm a slowpoke) and we pretty much argued about this and that during the beta.
But even if you're just trolling, I'll still answer sincere.

The dude is a pretty cool character, an asshole but not much, he is honest with people who deserve it, I admire his attitude towards girls, he treats them with a mixture of a certain amount of cynicism, irony, sincere interest, care and respect. Apparently, so that his experienced and mature personality would not be too striking, the author emphasized his teenage features too caricaturedly, maybe he even overdid. But I can live with it.

Just one example: when the girls in Chapter 4x5 assure him that he's not alone and they all want to help him, he sarcastically replies to them with a subtle smirk, "But do I even like you guys?" My dude!

I don't even want to comment on his flaccid dick, I think anyone who paid attention to the game understands that this is a temporary condition and just a plot limitation that will soon to be removed.

And Ocean doesn’t need to turn him into a Casanova, the girls seem to have already warmed up and for good reason. The dude is objectively attractive and his emo/edgelord/whatever aura is a killer for 18-19 year old girls. Let's add there that he hits the gym, maintains the reputation of a macho who fucks girls in the toilet cabin. And on top of that add that he sincerely shows interest in the personalities of girls when he communicates with them, easily gains their trust and finds the right words like Simon Baker from The Mentalist. Damn it, limpy wormy is the only thing that stops them from eating him alive.

How many people here uncritically watch and enjoy, say, movies in the MCU universe or other works of fiction? I cannot for the life of me understand why some people would get so hung up with "unrealistic" tropes in SG like anti-gravity hair or intelligent mice - so hung up that they have to make their dislike known here in the strongest terms, often repeatedly.

Nika's hair - which gets enough comments within the game - just ain't my first takeaway after playing SG (disclaimer: I don't play SG with a finger holding down the CTL key and my other hand clutching my.... you get the idea... so I have no subliminal reaction to Nika's hair blinking rapidly across the screen). The extreme duality of Nika's character, however, is a big takeaway for me.

 

[NeroZee]

You abhor which whole scene? The scene with the gun that's been removed since version 4.5 I think, and no longer has any part in the story?

The nihilist/existentialist scene that you mentioned, not a scene from the game itself lol, you make some really wild speculations

So, explain how he has 'school shooter' vibes. Currently in season 1, all he does is get in one fight with a dude who looks like a jock. He never touches a gun in the game, all we have is Mila assessment based on his look from one conversation when she first meets him. So how does he have a school shooter vibe in the game, what actions, other than being emotionally detached? What have they done but judged him based on his look?

Confusion isn't an emotion, but it does show emotional uncertainty in the context of the scenes. He is confused by his reactions to Bella, and freaks out over kissing her is one of the most obvious examples. He's not confused by the event, but by the the reason he kissed her and liked it, and is starting to have feeling for her. Certainly not the response of a cold, anti-social asshole. The biggest generic asshole moments are when he has the choice to be an asshole to Maja in the hospital, and when he doesn't hold the elevator door. And all the heist/plan with Bella, that's pure asshole. But he's not cold, he has emotions through the whole thing - he's just confused by his emotions and doesn't know how to react.

And I do get that not everyone will identify with him. I'm not questioning that at all, and I'm not suggesting that you should see him any differently either. It just seems to me that you're basing your opinion on content that's not in the actual release. Most of your characterisation fits Nika until the Ch3 release, then Ocean started changing his character.

A loner, thats off putting and an asshole to almost everyone, is generally anti-social, thats the school shooter vibe. He doesnt have to literally pick up a gun my dude... do you know what school shooter vibe means or just when in general what a vibe is suppose to convey? I can't do this... you know what you are right i was wrong the MC is great, dont care to talk about it anymore much rather talk about more positive stuff like all the wonderful girls in this game.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The nihilist/existentialist scene that you mentioned, not a scene from the game itself lol, you make some really wild speculations



A loner, thats off putting and an asshole to almost everyone, is generally anti-social, thats the school shooter vibe. He doesnt have to literally pick up a gun my dude... do you know what school shooter vibe means or just when in general what a vibe is suppose to convey? I can't do this... you know what you are right i was wrong the MC is great, dont care to talk about it anymore much rather talk about more positive stuff like all the wonderful girls in this game.

Yeah, waifus are more interesting, agreed.

 

[John972]

I just noticed on my current replay through the game that Sasha's super hot friend (whose name still hasn't been told to us yet) is in the background when you go shopping with Bella for clothes. It never shows her unblurred in any shot, so I never noticed before but you can see her distinct hair style/color/length on one side, the other side is pulled behind her shoulder.

She really is eeeeverywhere haha... I really hope we get to bang know her in this coming chapter!
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Well spotted!

Her just being in that store confirms that she:

(a) belongs to an the ultra-rich family, and/or

(b) works for Sasha Petrova's mysterious spy network, who follow Nika/Bella everywhere for (as yet) undisclosed reasons.

 

[Mr_Mister]

I just noticed on my current replay through the game that Sasha's super hot friend (whose name still hasn't been told to us yet) is in the background when you go shopping with Bella for clothes. It never shows her unblurred in any shot, so I never noticed before but you can see her distinct hair style/color/length on one side, the other side is pulled behind her shoulder.

She really is eeeeverywhere haha... I really hope we get to bang know her in this coming chapter!
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you mean Sasha's Sister ?

 

[John972]

A loner, thats off putting and an asshole to almost everyone, is generally anti-social, thats the school shooter vibe.

Agree. Mila commented on Nika's demeanor using the "school shooter" parable. That doesn't mean she thinks he's actually about to pick up a gun...

 

[Raynare69]

Considering she's shopping there, she's also from a rich family, which we could guess from her association with Sasha (and considering she's not getting acussed of shoplifting).

Yeah, this was part of my takeaway from this as well. It means she's rich, but I've already assumed that.

...........And then I put on my tinfoil hat XD For some reason, Emilio came to mind and how he wanted background info checked on our MC and it made me wonder if she was some kind of spy... Yes, I know that's not it... Time to put the tinfoil hat away

 

[BobTheDuck]

you mean Sasha's Sister ?

That'd certainly be an interesting twist. At very least, I suspect she does MMA with Sasha and Ayua, it looks like they're doing bets on something competitive.

Yeah, this was part of my takeaway from this as well. It means she's rich, but I've already assumed that.

...........And then I put on my tinfoil hat XD For some reason, Emilio came to mind and how he wanted background info checked on our MC and it made me wonder if she was some kind of spy... Yes, I know that's not it... Time to put the tinfoil hat away

The Emilio thing is legit - you can see Desiree in the background, blurred, when Nicole corners Nika in the hallway.

Agree. Mila commented on Nika's demeanor using the "school shooter" parable. That doesn't mean she thinks he's actually about to pick up a gun...

Having said that, other than MIla's assessment, and Bella's incel comment, since Season 1, where is all the reasoning for this characterisation? It's based purely on his look, as immediately earlier, they assume Nika and Nami are a cute couple. All I'm saying is based on his actions, there's far more of a socially awkward vibe than an antisocial vibe. The anti social vibe is mostly seen when Nika's at the hospital. Other than that he get's worn out and stressed because he is overwhelmed by social settings, not because he rejects them.